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The politics thread.

morty

morty

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Yes it is.
So 3 years on and Ukraine has less territory than they started with, with how many thousands of their young men in body bags? Aye, its going really well.

Fun fact, Europe is still spending more on Russian gas than they are putting towards this bullshit war. Europe are indirectly financing this.
 
lyb

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Well once again I was totally baffled by Trump's demeanour towards Starmer. I thought with the Chagos Islands business and the threat to Diego Garcia, plus the 100 Labour staffers who went to campaign for Democrats, plus the threats to American social media companies over free speech, I thought these talks would be 'frosty' at best. But no, Trump acted like he and Starmer were best buddies and nothing to see here.

Just didn't expect that at all. The only reason I can come up with is that Trump wants something and he is playing the long game in order to get it. Trump sees the uK government is in trouble and it is going to get a whole lot worse before it starts to get better, if it ever does, so Trump is biding his time and waiting for Starmer to turn to his new best buddy for help. So what could Trump possibly want from the UK? I can think of two things, one of which is quite outrageous but fits in with Trump behaviour. The staightforward thing might be a trade deal that is mightily in favour of US interests, that is letting in all kind of products that don't meet current UK standards. The more outrageous ad perhaps far-fetched possibility is he wants the Falkand Islands. Trump has shown he wants new territory, especially those that are resource rich. Labour is anti oil and gas so unlikely to exploit the deposits. He could also cut a deal with Argentina President Milei to keep the Argentinians happy. Who knows??
I think rolling with Chagos makes sense from the US point of view. It’s one less piece of UK leverage on the US, and when the lease runs out, there’s nothing Chagos can do against the US to clear out the base.

The only loser from Chagos is the UK, thanks to Starmer.
 
Fenway Frank

Fenway Frank

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I had a feeling this thread might be busy today ;)
 
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lyb

lyb

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So 3 years on and Ukraine has less territory than they started with, with how many thousands of their young men in body bags? Aye, its going really well.

Fun fact, Europe is still spending more on Russian gas than they are putting towards this bullshit war. Europe are indirectly financing this.
There are many times more Russians in body bags, but oddly enough you never seem to mention them. Why is that?

Spare us the fake concern for the Ukrainians fighting for their own country.
 
morty

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There are many times more Russians in body bags, but oddly enough you never seem to mention them. Why is that?

Spare us the fake concern for the Ukrainians fighting for their own country.
Oh pipe down fella. Your "You didn't say this so you must love Putin" is fucking tedious.
 
lyb

lyb

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Oh pipe down fella. Your "You didn't say this so you must love Putin" is fucking tedious.
Do you feel sorry for the North Korean soldiers sent to fight for Russia and told they were going to be fighting South Koreans? Do you think it's disgraceful of Putin dragging North Koreans into it instead of pursuing peace in the war he started? Do you think Putin's a disgrace for not giving any concessions to peace whatsoever in spite of his abysmal perfomance and horrendous death toll?
 
morty

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Well I learned something new, we have an "ignore" function here :)
 
lyb

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Well I learned something new, we have an "ignore" function here :)
I'd have thought the sort of intellectual giant that swallows everything MAGA spouts whole would have discovered that sooner...:rolleyes:
 
morty

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Keep going with the personal insults. I think you know what happens next...
 
lyb

lyb

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Keep going with the personal insults. I think you know what happens next...
Crikey, if you can't even get using the ignore button right, it doesn't bode well for your judgement on matters of global conflicts.
 
morty

morty

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Crikey, if you can't even get using the ignore button right, it doesn't bode well for your judgement on matters of global conflicts.
Stop being an arsehole, or you'll be leaving. Understand?
 
morty

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Some people just can't help themselves, can they?
 
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Fen Canary

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Have you watched the full 50 minute video? Or just the juicy bits? It was undignified on everyone's part, but the first 40 minutes were Trump telling Zelensky that he was focused on peace, and Zelensky responded by strongly pushing back on a ceasefire with Russia and demanded that Putin pay for the entire war. When Vance pointed out the difference between the Biden administrations, and Trump's approach to this Zelensky got the arse.

So he has come to the White House for more war money and / or a mineral deal, acted like a spoiled child, and left empty handed.

Not clever. This has put him, and Ukraine, in a very difficult position now. Does he apologise and come back to the table, or demand more money from European leaders to keep this going? Polls in Ukraine show the majority of the public want peace. He really would have been better working with Trump, rather than now working against him. He has some big thinking to do now to decide what to do next.

"You don't have the cards right now"
"I'm not playing cards"
"Oh you're playing cards. you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with world war three."
Absolute bollocks Im afraid. He went to the White House to sign an agreement giving the yanks access to Ukraines future natural resources, I think asking how the Americans were going to a) stop this war and b) guarantee Putin won’t come back for another go in a few years is a perfectly valid question to ask considering what Ukraine is expected to hand over.
Vance banging on about diplomacy without ever articulating what he actually means by it and what agreements he expects to see just shows the utter emptiness of Americas foreign policy. It’s nothing but sound bites and empty rhetoric designed to appeal to
 
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Scoop

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Absolute bollocks Im afraid. He went to the White House to sign an agreement giving the yanks access to Ukraines future natural resources, I think asking how the Americans were going to a) stop this war and b) guarantee Putin won’t come back for another go in a few years is a perfectly valid question to ask considering what Ukraine is expected to hand over.
Vance banging on about diplomacy without ever articulating what he actually means by it and what agreements he expects to see just shows the utter emptiness of Americas foreign policy. It’s nothing but sound bites and empty rhetoric designed to appeal to
Vance can fuck off, why's he even there in the first place, the gobshite?
Chips in with his snide comments like the weedy schoolboy standing at the back of the circle of kids shouting to the school bully "Go on Don, punch him". Tosser.

I'm not particularly a fan of Starmer but it was good to see he acted like British genleman in his subsequent meeting with Zelenskyy and maintained professionalism. Not that he'll do fuck all to help the situation tho.

/Rant over.
 
morty

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Absolute bollocks Im afraid. He went to the White House to sign an agreement giving the yanks access to Ukraines future natural resources, I think asking how the Americans were going to a) stop this war and b) guarantee Putin won’t come back for another go in a few years is a perfectly valid question to ask considering what Ukraine is expected to hand over.
Vance banging on about diplomacy without ever articulating what he actually means by it and what agreements he expects to see just shows the utter emptiness of Americas foreign policy. It’s nothing but sound bites and empty rhetoric designed to appeal to
He went to the White house wanting American boots on the ground, which was never going to happen, what was actually on offer was the security of having American industrial assets and workers there, which in itself would act as a deterrent. I also think he has just got a bit too used to just turning up with his hand out, and folk throwing money at him. And as I said, he has put himself in a difficult situation now, because Europe does not have the money to bankroll his plan to try and defeat Russia. They are is a shit state, but I cannot see a scenario where Putin just gives up and goes home. In fact cornering a man like him, who is fully nuclear armed, does not seem too clever to me.

Most peoples opinion of how this went down is based on what they think of Trump, which I understand, he's a divisive figure, but what he is doing here is putting the American taxpayer first, something I have no issue with. Because, at the end of the day, whatever Russia does in Ukraine, is absolutely zero threat to America.

Yeah, Vance seems like a bit of an arsehole, but what I take from that is that he was telling Zelensky that they aren't the Biden administration and just going to throw money at him, for nothing in return, which seems reasonable.

Nobody came out of this looking good, but Zelensky had the most to lose here.

Even Ben Wallace got a bit sick of Zelensky constantly having his hand out

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morty

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Vance can fuck off, why's he even there in the first place, the gobshite?
Chips in with his snide comments like the weedy schoolboy standing at the back of the circle of kids shouting to the school bully "Go on Don, punch him". Tosser.

I'm not particularly a fan of Starmer but it was good to see he acted like British genleman in his subsequent meeting with Zelenskyy and maintained professionalism. Not that he'll do fuck all to help the situation tho.

/Rant over.
How much more money do we throw at this though? What is the end point?

And if it is correct that we are getting the loans repaid through sale of Russian assets, then that is a good thing, but I would definitely like to see Reeves' working out on it.
 
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gerryinromania

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Just for interest, we had the air raid warnings on Thursday, here where I live. Fighters and helicopters buzzing around, a couple of damaged drones with explosive charges on board, were found in the Galati county and controlled explosions were made to destroy them.
 
morty

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Just for interest, we had the air raid warnings on Thursday, here where I live. Fighters and helicopters buzzing around, a couple of damaged drones with explosive charges on board, were found in the Galati county and controlled explosions were made to destroy them.
Where did they come from, Ukraine or Russia?
 
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